obama accomplished that first. and once he did that, everything opened up for -- >> because he learned the lessons from president clinton, which he didn't bring the military along with him. >> and you had the chairman of the joint chiefs endorsing the end of don't ask, don't tell and embracing serving openly 20 years ago. >> so what was he saying in 2007, 2008, 2009, when he said that he did not support the marriage between gay and lesbians, you know, among gay and lesbians, when he was decidedly, or at least as far as the rest of the country assumed he was, by his words, that that was not an issue he supported. he didn't use the term "evolution," until as joe pointed out, it was political time. >> so and my point here is, it's not a gotcha game against the president, it's just telling everybody not to overreach in what one speech meant yesterday. that this is a president who, himself, would take smaller deeds, to forward that agenda, that he thought wouldn't cost him politically. but he was still fearful in this e